Kim Kardashian is taking her recent legal influence seriously.
In an interview with Vogue, Kim revealed that she’s studying to become a lawyer and decided last summer to begin a four-year apprenticeship with a law firm in San Francisco, with a goal of taking the bar in 2022.
Kardashian West, 38, has been working with author and CNN commentator Van Jones and attorney Jessica Jackson, cofounders of #cut50, a national bipartisan advocacy group on criminal-justice reform, for months, visiting prisons, petitioning governors, and attending meetings at the White House.
Last year, she successfully petitioned President Donald Trump to commute the life sentence of Alice Marie Johnson, a nonviolent drug offender. After Johnson was released, a major bipartisan piece of criminal justice–reform legislation, the FIRST STEP Act, was passed by Congress and signed into law by Trump in December.
“I had to think long and hard about this,” she says of her decision, explaining that she eventually decided to embark on the journey after “seeing a really good result” with Johnson.
“I never in a million years thought we would get to the point of getting laws passed,” she says. “That was really a turning point for me.”
Still, she admits she felt out of her depth, hence her desire to educate herself.
“The White House called me to advise to help change the system of clemency,” she says. “And I’m sitting in the Roosevelt Room with, like, a judge who had sentenced criminals and a lot of really powerful people and I just sat there, like, Oh, s—. I need to know more.”
“I would say what I had to say, about the human side and why this is so unfair. But I had attorneys with me who could back that up with all the facts of the case,” she continues. “It’s never one person who gets things done; it’s always a collective of people, and I’ve always known my role, but I just felt like I wanted to be able to fight for people who have paid their dues to society. I just felt like the system could be so different, and I wanted to fight to fix it, and if I knew more, I could do more.”
The mother of three also reveals that she’s long had an interest in the subject; Her father, the late Robert Kardashian, was a businessman and attorney who became a household name when he helped defend friend O.J. Simpson during his infamous 1994 murder trial.
“On the weekends they used our home as an office, with Johnnie Cochran and Bob Shapiro,” Kardashian West recalls. “My dad had a library, and when you pushed on this wall there was this whole hidden closet room, with all of his O.J. evidence books. On weekends I would always snoop and look through. I was really nosy about the forensics.”
As for how Kardashian West is studying law, considering she didn’t finish college? California, as well as three other U.S. states, offer another path to passing the bar by “reading the law,” or apprenticing with a practicing lawyer or judge.
According to Vogue, sometime this summer, she will take what is known as the “baby bar” administered by the state; if she passes, she will be given the okay to continue for three more years of study.
“First year of law school, you have to cover three subjects: criminal law, torts, and contracts,” she tells the magazine. “To me, torts is the most confusing, contracts the most boring, and crim law I can do in my sleep. Took my first test, I got a 100. Super easy for me.”
“The reading is what really gets me,” she admits. “It’s so time-consuming. The concepts I grasp in two seconds.”“I don’t pay attention to that anymore,” she says. “I love to be put in a situation where I can have a conversation with someone who might not be inclined to think much of me, because I can guarantee they will have a different opinion and understand what’s important to me after they’ve met me.”
She also has her family’s full support: Kourtney Kardashian, 39, tells Vogueshe thinks her sister is constitutionally lawyerly — “She seems to have all the answers or something, like she just kind of knows” — and points to her relationship to momager Kris Jenner, 63.
“Khloé and I can be a little argumentative with my mom,” Kourtney says. “But Kim knows what she needs to say so that my mother can hear it and she can get her point across.”
As for Jenner herself? She admits to Vogue she “did not see this one coming.”
“What didn’t surprise me was the way she embraced Miss Alice and how she was so hopeful for that outcome,” she adds. “When you find something that you’re that passionate about, it’s not difficult; you don’t have to think about it — it just happens.”
The Vogue story isn’t the first time Kardashian West’s interest in law has come to light: Last September, reports surfaced that Kardashian West was attending law school, though a source denied that was the case to PEOPLE.
At the time, the source said she was devoting more energy to criminal justice reform and that her husband Kanye West was “excited” about it.